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Ukraine Talks Likely to Go Into Morning Hours

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Some progress was signaled as the leaders of Germany, France, Russia and Ukraine negotiated into early Thursday morning to try to end the deadly conflict in eastern Ukraine.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov characterized the talks in Minsk, Belarus, between Chancellor Angela Merkel, President Francois Hollande, President Vladimir Putin and President Petro Poroshenko as "active," but gave no details. It was unclear when or whether a decision might be announced and how soon the shooting would stop if an agreement was reached.

The talks might go into the morning hours, said a Ukrainian government official.

"The four leaders are talking directly now, without aides. Too early to offer any details. I think we're looking at 5-6 more hours, at least," wrote Poroshenko's deputy chief of staff, Valery Chalyi, on his Facebook page at 3:30 a.m. local time.

"We cannot leave [Minsk] without an unconditional cease-fire agreement," he added.

The drawing of a new line of separation between rebels and withdrawing Russian troops and equipment from eastern Ukraine - even though Moscow denies any such presence - are said to be among the sticking points in the negotiations.

The talks in Minsk are widely seen as a last attempt to settle the conflict in eastern Ukraine diplomatically.

Fighting on the ground

Meanwhile, fighting in the region continued. At least two people died in the rebel-held eastern city of Donetsk when a shell hit a bus station, according to rebel officials and emergency personnel.

Military officials also said rebel attacks near Debaltseve had killed at least 19 soldiers and wounded 78 others.

Ukraine: areas of conflict, as of Feb. 10, 2015

Ukraine: areas of conflict, as of Feb. 10, 2015

The surge in fighting in the 24 hours before the leaders sat down in Minsk could be intended to force Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko to accept a deal recognizing the rebel advance.

Before Wednesday's summit got underway, Poroshenko said Ukraine and the European Union would speak "with one voice."

The EU is represented by German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President Francois Hollande, and Russia by President Vladimir Putin.

The four leaders met alone at about 1715 GMT, then went into a full summit with their delegations, Reuters reported.

Poroshenko had earlier described the four-way summit as one of the last chances to end the fighting between his country's forces and pro-Russian separatists, widely believed to be supported by Moscow with personnel and weapons.

Martial law a possibility

Poroshenko said earlier Wednesday that he would not hesitate to introduce martial law throughout the country if the conflict escalated.

Details of a possible peace deal haven't been released. Key sticking points at the talks include:

— Drawing a new line of division. Ukraine wants the same one agreed upon in September; Russia wants a line that reflects rebels' territorial gains.

— Withdrawing Russian troops and equipment. Russia says it has no forces in eastern Ukraine; NATO and Ukraine say this is untrue.

— Securing the Ukraine-Russia border. Ukraine wants border control to be able to halt the influx of fighters and weapons; Russia says control of some areas should be up to the rebels.

— Giving separatists more autonomy. Russia wants guarantees of rights, plus an end to Ukraine's financial blockade of the east.

Hopes for a breakthrough most likely would depend on Ukraine making most of the concessions, with advancing rebels unlikely to agree to halt and go back to previous positions.

Meanwhile, the commander of the U.S. Army in Europe said Russian military forces are directly involved in the fighting in the Debaltseve area.

Lieutenant General Ben Hodges said Wednesday during a visit to a NATO base in Poland that "direct Russian military intervention" in Debaltseve is "very obvious" from the amount of ammunition and type of equipment being used there, Reuters reported.

Hodges added that he feared the Russian-backed rebels would "shift their attention" to the Ukrainian-controlled port city of Mariupol if the offensive in Debaltseve succeeded.

He also said 10 battalions of Russian soldiers were stationed near the border with Ukraine.

'Cold War' mentality

In an interview Tuesday with BuzzFeed News, President Barack Obama said that Putin had failed to diversify his nation’s economy because of a "Cold War" mentality that has isolated Russia from Ukraine and other neighbors.

"I think he looks at problems through this Cold War lens," Obama said, adding that the consequence of Putin's actions was missed opportunities "to represent something different than the old Soviet-style aggression."

Obama’s interview with the website came on the same day that he spoke with Putin by phone, when he urged the Russian leader to support a peace deal and warned him that the costs would rise if Moscow kept aiding the separatists.

The White House also is considering sending lethal military aid to Ukraine, although Obama said he continues to hold out hopes for a diplomatic resolution to the conflict that has killed more than 5,300 people since last April.

Ukraine and a host of Western governments accuse Russia of backing the nearly yearlong rebellion in Ukraine's east with troops, strategic planning and military hardware.

Russia has repeatedly denied direct involvement and says Russian troops fighting alongside separatists in eastern Ukraine are doing so as volunteers.

Trip to Kramatorsk, IMF meeting

Poroshenko, who made an impromptu visit to the war-torn region early Wednesday, stopped in the city of Kramatorsk, visiting people injured Tuesday in rocket attacks as well as the local military headquarters that was shelled the same day.

The talks are also taking place while an International Monetary Fund mission is trying to negotiate a bailout to save Ukraine from bankruptcy brought on by corruption and mismanagement as well as war.

Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk said the talks were tough but he hoped for a loan deal within days.

Some material for this report came from Reuters, AP and AFP.

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