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College Guide Aims to Help Students Avoid a 'Thin Education'

21 October 2009

This is the VOA Special English Education Report.

A new college guide in the United States compares educational requirements in seven subjects. These include math, science, writing and United States history or government. The other subjects are economics, foreign language and literature.

Classes in the sciences are part of a liberal arts educationThe free online guide is from the American Council of Trustees and Alumni. The council is a nonprofit group that supports liberal arts education.

Its president, Anne Neal, says these areas of knowledge are needed to succeed in a twenty-first century society and an increasingly connected world. Yet she told VOA's Faiza Elmasry it was surprising how many students can graduate with, in her words, a "thin education."

Forty-two of the one hundred colleges and universities surveyed received the lowest marks. This meant they required two or fewer of the seven subjects. Five schools received a top grade for requiring six subjects. These were Brooklyn College in New York City, Texas A&M, the University of Texas-Austin, West Point and the University of Arkansas.

Robert Costrell is a professor of education reform and economics at the University of Arkansas. He says many, if not all, of the top American colleges once had a core curriculum -- a set of courses required for all students.

But over the years, many have dropped these requirements. Or they have "watered them down," Professor Costrell says, into what became known as distribution requirements. This system lets a student choose from a number of different courses to satisfy a requirement.  

ROBERT COSTRELL: "And in many cases these courses went too far, I would say, towards the fluffy treatment of serious material, and students could satisfy their requirement by taking such courses."

Professor Costrell says schools should not only re-examine what they teach. They should also measure what students have learned -- for example, through some form of examinations or papers.

A new report this week from the College Board showed that college prices continue to rise. But Anne Neal from the American Council of Trustees and Alumni says higher prices do not guarantee a better general education. In fact, the group found that the higher the tuition, the more likely that students have to develop their own general education.

The college guide is on the Web at whatwilltheylearn.com. Anne Neal says her group is surveying more colleges. The hope, she says, is to discover what college graduates have really learned, and how ready they are to compete in the global marketplace.

And that's the VOA Special English Education Report. I'm Steve Ember.



Comments:

1. 7 subjects --> But which skills?

I would like to see an education system that is based on skills, not subjects. Which specific skills do students need before they can graduate? How could they demonstrate those skills? For example, instead of learning subjects--and information from textbooks and teachers--necessary skills could be developed and tested using performance examinations. For example, can you speak English? Prove it with a performance exam like IELTS or TOEFL. Can you apply your understanding of world history to solve a problem? Prove it by solving that problem then explaining how you did it. I think performance exams are the only way to reliably demonstrate what someone has really learned.
Submitted by: John Goranson (Canada/Korea)
11-06-2009 - 09:30:10

2.

Thank a lot
Submitted by: Tien (VietNAm)
11-05-2009 - 10:29:08

3. Communication and Journalism

As far as I'm concerned, these 7 subjects is pretty importent for college students. Actually, in china, the basic subjects are more than 7, and they are important, not only these subject are useful knowledge, but also this is a only way to enter the university for every Chinese students. But Chinese education place too much emphasis on grades, and they ignore the practices. The U.S. education system is better than Chinese, but it' s not a prefect one. We need to stress the importance of these 7 subjects, and their following practices. In this way, students will get ready to face the compete in the global marketplace.
Submitted by: Joe (China)
11-05-2009 - 05:55:01

4. ESL

In my oppinion, the seven subjects is important to all students. In Malaysia,we will take more than 7 subjects ,this is because Malaysia is a multicultural society, all minority like Chinese and Indian need to take English and Malay, included the mother language total is 11 subjects. We will choose what is your major in secondary school, if you are business student, you just need to take the subjects which related to business;if you are science student,you only need to take the subjects related to science but Malay language is compulsory for all students. However, if you take history about Malaysia ,you also need to study the world history.Lastly, i think this 7 subjects is important to all students in The U.S because all students can learn the basic of this few subjects. Besides that, if the students enter to university, at least,they have the basic knowledge in all session.
Submitted by: joo zheng pang (malaysia)
11-04-2009 - 03:16:41

5. voa

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Submitted by: javad (Iran)
10-31-2009 - 07:54:04

6. thanks

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Submitted by: Maria rahman (bangladesh)
10-28-2009 - 06:45:58

7. english

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Submitted by: anya (Yakutia)
10-28-2009 - 03:02:39

8. 7 Core Subjects of a Liberal Arts Education

This is a timely and extremely relevant topic. It is interesting to read how other cultures define what constitutes a college education.
Submitted by: J. Adler (U.S.A.)
10-27-2009 - 23:42:48

9.

I am afraid that russian education system is already similar to american one
Submitted by: Igo (russia)
10-26-2009 - 16:29:21

10. ESL - UWEC

I think that "thin education" is a reality in US and also in too many countries all over the world, so this program is really useful to fight with the problems of "thin education" and make the Universities better day by day.
Submitted by: Mauricio Segura (México)
10-26-2009 - 08:32:15

11. ESL

I agree with the ' basic Education'in United States.Those seven subjects are basic courses used in our daily life,and it also needed to succeed in a twenty- first century.Students will have more choose to learn some other new knowlege after they finish learning these seven subjects.Because these are garenteed by basic courses.Student can learn those creative couses better basic on these couses.I think every courntry have there own basic courses.China also have.So I think these seven subjects are important for college students to learn .
Submitted by: Liu Ping (China)
10-26-2009 - 03:45:59

12. Esl

I think all of seven subjects is important for student. Because it's the basic that every student should know. But some subjects are too difficult for some students,they may make bad grade. I think they need a tutor or study harder more than cancel the subject. Anyway I think the requirements is necessary for student because it's the way the guide student.
Submitted by: WORANART MANEENIN (Thailand)
10-26-2009 - 00:54:59

13. Finance

These seven subjects are improtant and useful for your work, your life, and your personality. Maybe somebody will think these reqiurments are too hard to reach, but I still think they are necessary. In China, beacuse students choose science or art in high school, so some guys needn't study math or science in colledge and some needn't study literature. But after all, they have learned them in high school. So I think whenever you learn these subjects, you shoud learn. The US colledges should hold on to let students learn these courses.
Submitted by: Wenchu Ji (China)
10-24-2009 - 18:48:46

14.

I think it's very important. To let us know what's the point.
Submitted by: Joe Chang (China)
10-24-2009 - 17:12:28

15. CJ

I think it's very important. To let us know what's the point.
Submitted by: Joe Chang (China)
10-24-2009 - 17:11:53

16. Finance

I think these subjects are very vital to every student. You know, in China, we must take all of these classes since we were in high school. If we can't pass one of them, we have no seniority to enter the university. Without any doubt, these courses are essential, however, I think China make some areas go too far. Students have to receive abundant of knowledge which are hardly useful in daily life. American does better in this field. They don't require every student control the difficult parts in every subject. In contrary, they focus on how to use the knowledge in people's living. But one thing we should notice--not only China and USA, but also other countries----it is necessary to make sure students know about some elementary information in every subjects.
Submitted by: Kiki (China)
10-24-2009 - 13:23:10

17. ESL

I agree with importants of the seven courses that the new college guid provided. These courses are important to be provided in each university to succeed in a twenty-first century. All Russian universities has core curriculum (a set of courses required for all students). In all Russian universities the list of important subjects that students required to take is much bigger. It consists of about 14 subjects: foreign language; physical training; national history; law scients; philosophy; economics; cultural and political studies; electoral law; russian language and speech standards; mathematics; informatics; physics. If you can't pass these subjects during the year, you will not require studying in the university. I think that the US education system is good; however, the system needs to be corrected. The US system needs to be slightly, but not completely, redirected in to the core curriculum.
Submitted by: Evgeny Ramenskiy (Russia)
10-23-2009 - 22:14:53

18. physics,mathematics

thank you
Submitted by: paul oche (Nigeria)
10-23-2009 - 14:29:48

19.

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Submitted by: Nguyen Trong Nghia (Viet Nam)
10-23-2009 - 12:43:13

20. send me some grammar cours

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Submitted by: samba (mauritania)
10-22-2009 - 14:52:57

21.

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10-22-2009 - 07:34:13

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Submitted by: CHHEN KSATREY (CAMBODIA)
10-22-2009 - 05:30:07

23.

That's nice topic
Submitted by: kelly (Vietnam)
10-22-2009 - 04:15:11

24. education system

I think the higher level education system applied in most European countries is better: they combine undergraduate course and master course in to 5 years master degree course, sometimes includes 1 year internship on the side. Students have chance to learn and to practice, they have working experience before taking a full time job. And more important thing is, through internship, they will know what kind of jobs really interest them
Submitted by: Yuan (China)
10-22-2009 - 04:06:25

 
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