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Studying in the US: High Marks Just for Trying?
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We continue our discussion of college grades in part 25 of our Foreign Student Series. Transcript of radio broadcast:
11 March 2009
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This is the VOA Special English Education Report.
This
week in our Foreign Student Series, we continue our discussion about grades.
Would you want a doctor who got high marks in medical
school just for trying really, really hard? Apparently many college students
would have no problem with that. They believe students are owed a good grade
simply because they put a lot of effort into a class. Or at least that is what they
told researchers last year at the University of California, Irvine.
The
researchers asked more than eight hundred undergraduates if they agreed or
disagreed with some statements. For example: "If I have completed most of
the reading for a class, I deserve a B in that course." And: "A
professor should not be annoyed with me if I receive an important call during
class."
Just
sixteen percent thought it was OK to take that phone call. But sixty-six
percent agreed that a professor should consider effort and not just the quality
of a student's work when deciding grades. And forty percent thought they should
get a B, the second highest mark, just because they did most of the reading for
class.
The
findings appeared in the Journal of Youth and Adolescence. The students were
ages eighteen to twenty-five.
Some
experts are not surprised that students often see no difference between effort
and results. Social critics like to say that in children's activities these
days, everyone gets an award just for trying, so no one will feel rejected. Or
so it may seem. Yet
competition to get into the best colleges is fiercer than ever. Students may worry
that low grades will keep them out of graduate school or a good job. And
there may be another explanation: pressure from parents to get a good return on
the family's investment. These days, college can cost more than a house.
A former teaching assistant recently wrote to the New
York Times about his experience with grade expectations. He would try to
explain it this way when students asked for a top grade just for studying hard in
chemistry class:
What
if a baseball player came to spring training and worked harder than all the
others, but still could not play well. Would the team accept him anyway, just
because he tried so hard?
The students would say no. But most of them would still
ask for an A.
And that's the VOA Special English Education Report,
written by Nancy Steinbach. Tell us what you think about grades, and read what
others have to say, at voaspecialenglish.com. Click on Foreign Student Series.
I'm Steve Ember.
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03-29-2009 - 09:51:22
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03-29-2009 - 08:23:46
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03-25-2009 - 12:01:52
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Submitted by: PHUOC (vietnam)
03-23-2009 - 16:43:27
6. for me
I think that it is not only the grades that counts.
For a person to qualify to medical school should more importantly have upright thoughts...
Submitted by: tlf (singapore)
03-23-2009 - 10:03:03
7. Grades
In my opinion getting good grades it is not easy. You have to work hard to get it and it depends on the student himself. I think if he doesn't like his subjects he will never get a good grades.
Submitted by: Ali (UAE)
03-22-2009 - 05:43:06
8. It depends on many matters
If you have a brilliant mind and you have the ability to have a high marks, then enter the scientific section and it based on your previous marks in School . On the other hand,if you prefer conserving , enter the literary section. Actually I like the comment that says 90% from working hard because I had this experience before. So my words are: evaluate yourself and enter the section that you can do better and you are interested in. Well, Then , you will find the expected marks.
Submitted by: HCT Member 22 (UAE)
03-22-2009 - 05:13:46
9.
i think that while students are trying hard, as aresult they will have high marks , unless they tried hard with less knowledge.
Submitted by: HCT member (UAE)
03-22-2009 - 05:05:12
10. More about grading system in US
This is my first quarter studying in US and is already over. I took three classes, in two of them the grade is straight and in the other is curved. I can say that the grader(professor, TA) takes into consideration both the students knowledge and effort, it can happen that you do not have the correct answer but you show enough knowledge then you should get some points for it.
By the way, thanks VOA for the wonderful program Special English, it has been a great tool to learn English and relevant aspects of the American Culture.
Submitted by: Noe Hernandez (Mexico)
03-18-2009 - 22:18:28
11. variables Affect student grade
There are alot of variables affect student grades. I think the nature of the human body is the most important. some student can't afford to study in somewhere and their body characteristics not ready for reading more time. Also, many doctors believe that paper exam is enough to evalute their student. it is completely not helpful. They have to understand their students feature before pacticing their exam. Also, they have to correct exams with a right method that achieve the equity beteen students.
Submitted by: Rakan Nawafleh (Jordan)
03-18-2009 - 11:50:29
12. .....
In fact,I also wish to study in the US,as it is really helpful to broaden my horizon and enrich my knowledge.Besides,we can learn English which can make me more competitive.
Submitted by: Sunxiaolin (China)
03-18-2009 - 11:24:16
13. Special English's developping me
Thanks inadvanced for VOA Special English Programmings . . Wish to god to brings happiness with success to VOA programmings.
Submitted by: Upphili (Cambodia)
03-18-2009 - 00:54:26
14. good and bad grade
I think grade plays important role in our studying result beauce it shows our ability partly.
Submitted by: Thao (VietNam)
03-17-2009 - 16:12:29
15. My idea about grades
I think grade can be a theorical results in class but after you graduate, you need to be more practical. Because the practical is must important than the theorical.
Submitted by: OLLAME Bekale (Gabon)
03-17-2009 - 15:29:09
16. Your grade is your future
I think that grade affect your future. Good grade prove that you studied hard. Moreover, if you have a good grade, you will be offered best job and excellent positon. Thus, I recommend all student should have a A grade after graduating.
Submitted by: Stanley (Vietnam)
03-17-2009 - 15:01:38
17. It is very important to know that:
There is no doubt that working hard and trying best usualy have good results. If you work hard and try your best in a subject at a colleg, you will learn the subject well and eventually will expect good grades, but the best. If you still can not get good grades, then you and your college should find out the reason.
Becuase I think 90% of good grades and results are attributed to trying very hard and working hard. Only 10% is just your talent.
Submitted by: Mohammad Saleem (Afghanistan)
03-17-2009 - 11:28:59
18. Getting best grade
Actually student has to work hard if at all he want to obtain a best grade.Grade doesn't come so easy like that,you must adhere and concentrate in your studies before you specialise in your field. And that when best grade will come.
Submitted by: Kabiru Bauchi (Nigeria)
03-16-2009 - 22:34:58
19. intelligence is as important as discipline
To get a nice grade just for trying is not bad; the effort is important, but teachers also have to keep in mind the knowledge.
Two both are really important, because contrary to this article there are also people really intelligent who doesn´t matter the discipline, and that people need some pression to become a responsible professionals.
It's not enough to be intelligent if you are not a responsible person.
Submitted by: Patricia Cristancho (Colombia)
03-16-2009 - 18:44:19
20. sometime i think too
to me, i think sometime good grade it's not important to everyone because if you get A. Ok that mean that you are smart in that subject. in other hands it have to change with missing the boat that better than. i think if i get C+ or B but i have many experience for my life. i think i am pleasant.
Submitted by: atom ()
03-16-2009 - 15:21:50
21. there is difference
i think this typic is so important. i believe that you must have some skilles to be good doctor. to have agrade is one of many things you must have
Submitted by: HASSAN (EGYPT)
03-16-2009 - 09:52:50
22. Grade is extremely important
In hk,if you get a low mark,no schools will accept your application.Your future is always determined by your mark.
Submitted by: Bill (Hong Kong)
03-15-2009 - 15:30:11
23. Thanks
very good websit
Submitted by: Ibrahim (KSA)
03-15-2009 - 13:46:30
24.
In my opinion every student should work hard not for only getting good marks and don't being ashamed in front of your parents. You must work only for yourself to get new knowledges and experiences, because studing for somebody is wrong way of learning. Also I want to thank VOA Special English for this website which really helps me to improve my english.
Submitted by: Akbanov Maxat (Kazakhstan)
03-15-2009 - 11:29:39
25. Thanks!
The story about the baseball player, it's very interesting and meaningful. Through it, I have a new view about mark in university. Of course, the effort is precious, but to get the highest mark, not only trying hardly,but also by your ability, truly your ability in your field. As Edison said: "To succeed, 99% is labor, 1% is creativeness". So, if you try hard, you have 99%, but not creative, you are lack of 1% remain; you are good,but not the best.
Submitted by: nhd (vietnam)
03-14-2009 - 16:21:24
26. Teach me how to improve listening
I also have some puzzle,that is my poor listening, which it's always not as good as my colleagues, so that, i am so scared to talk to my customer while they visited our company,and i am now how to improve it????
Submitted by: Min.Huang (China)
03-14-2009 - 07:03:14
27. The first step---trying hard
Maybe teachers need to give efforts' score besides the real score to us,students.One's attitude and passion determine everything he wants to achieve. Trying hard is the fist step and without your best efforts you can't know what you are good at or not.
Submitted by: carolina (China)
03-14-2009 - 05:26:45
28. Genuis is made of effort and something to born in
I'm not genius. But i dislike to be defeated by anyone else. So i keep going harder on today.
Submitted by: lim (oooganda)
03-13-2009 - 16:19:12
29.
who can say grade is not important?
you know what we r studying today will be applied in the real world when we work in future,of course if we cannot understand what we r studying now at college we can stand in our own legs.
so if you try hard at school,first you will get a good grade by that the bosses estimate your ability then helping you to find a good job ,secondly you will feel confident in your knowledge.
Submitted by: takeshi (japan)
03-13-2009 - 09:00:19
30. High Grade and real ability
I think that: High grade give to the graduate students a good background for them who could fall in work very fast. First, not to say about expeirence, I think they have much advance when they work for oraganizations.
Submitted by: Tran Tan Anh (China)
03-13-2009 - 06:58:40
31.
Almost Japanese college student doesn't have motivation about study. They studied very hard for entrance exam. But 4 years of college would be like long vacation. I think it would be good to change entrance exam easier and graduate exam harder.
Submitted by: akinori (japan)
03-13-2009 - 05:41:35
32. my opinion
in my opinion,the high grades in college just show his or her attitude towards study, can not show their ability.
Submitted by: adam (China)
03-13-2009 - 04:31:18
33.
First of all we have to ponder about what field we like most, have special skill and do it well in the past. Then we try to pursue advanced study in those related fields, couses and well-known colleges. With this perspective, I think each student will do well both in class, grade, and future career.
Anyway in real situation, it is not easy to do so even me now. I try to study Enlish in order to get a high Toefl score. And I will try later.
Submitted by: AE (Thailand)
03-13-2009 - 00:34:59
34.
i can not say any comment because i want to learn english at first ,please told me how learning english ,i am waiting your informatin
Submitted by: farag makram (egypt)
03-12-2009 - 21:31:08
35. My Opinion
I think that one doesn't have to ask about a grade for something you must do. Trying is one thing, and be right is another thing.
Submitted by: Edi Assamoi (USA)
03-12-2009 - 20:41:32
36.
One gets an award only for success. You have to learn this, when you are an adolescent.
Submitted by: Szövetség Vácért (Hungary)
03-12-2009 - 18:15:56
37.
I like special English, it provide a good platform for my English studying.
Submitted by: Weixin Liu (China)
03-12-2009 - 15:01:04
38. Thank you
Really,I like your english program & have learnt more from you as a frenchspeaker student .So Keep on (from Kigali Institute Of Science &Technology)
Submitted by: Nsabimana Jean Aimé (RWANDA)
03-12-2009 - 13:29:14
39. good grades
I certainly believe that having positive attitude and determination in class provide a great incentive. Importantly, It is not only obtaining good grades but it is acquiring knowledge in different subject. This skill could be an advantage in future studies.
Submitted by: ej (philippines)
03-12-2009 - 12:33:20
40.
i agree with people telling that "If I have completed most of the reading for a class, I deserve a B in that course." 'cause they will be able to do better if their efforts are rightly judged
Submitted by: Thanh (Vietnam)
03-12-2009 - 12:21:28
41. High marks! Who are deserved them?
Almost all of our Vietnamese students nowadays have the sickness of achivement performance. We try all of our best and all means for getting high grades and good marks . The higher in grade we get, the happier our parents show off to people around. Our students have to study hard days and nights to compete with each others so fiercely!
However, deep in side our hearts, we all know that high ranks and good marks only deservered for those who morally and diligently good in all the long way of knowledge achievement.
Thanks for reading my tinny comment!
Submitted by: TUYEN MINH (Vietnam)
03-12-2009 - 12:15:18
42. Actually, Sometimes high mark means nothing.
High mark doesn't absolutely mean good capability or be of good competence to deal with realistic affairs. But unfortunately, it's still the only criteria to entrance of colleges or universities. Those with lower mark but with good talent might be kept out of universities.
Submitted by: martin chen (China)
03-12-2009 - 12:11:42
43. improve listening
i'm student at college ,but i'm not very well in listening skill ,please help me.
Submitted by: jameel (qatar)
03-12-2009 - 11:44:11
44.
Studying and playing baseball can not be compared.
Submitted by: nuttanun (thailand)
03-12-2009 - 11:34:48
45. THE MORE STUDENTS PUT EFFORTS THE MORE THEY GET HIGHT MARKS
When I was student, I tried my best to study. Because my parents appreciated my hight marks. Moreover, our marks were noticed to everybody in the class. If I receive bad marks, I'm very ashame of my teacher, my parents and my classroom. Therefore, I must to try to get hight marks. That is the way for our to a make good impression with others.
Submitted by: THANH HUYEN (Viet Nam)
03-12-2009 - 09:36:26
46.
It 's difficult to decide"high mark just for trying?".
In my opinion high mark depens on many faces such as the effort, the student 's extra knowledge, their experience and the way they show their information.
Thanks VOA because the good topic about education.^^
Submitted by: NPH (vietnam)
03-12-2009 - 06:45:33
47. My opinion
In my opinion, I will accept the doctors who did hard in colleges because it mean they had take attention about their career. Thus, there is no reason to worry about the one like that when that one is curing for me. They will try to do the best to me :D. I hope so >
Submitted by: Nguyễn Lợi (Vietnam)
03-12-2009 - 02:23:50
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