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    Bernie Sanders Surge Reflects US Shift on Socialism

    Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., speaks at the Iowa State Fair in Des Moines, Aug. 15, 2015.
    Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., speaks at the Iowa State Fair in Des Moines, Aug. 15, 2015.

    Free college tuition. Doubling the minimum wage. A single-payer, universal health care system. Those are just a few of the campaign promises by Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders, who does not try to hide that he embraces a form of socialism.

    The independent Vermont senator's self-identification as a socialist is a rarity for politicians in the United States, which, unlike most other Western democracies, does not have any sort of significant socialist presence represented on its political left wing.

    Since the Cold War, the term has become something of a dirty word in U.S. politics: a phrase used not just as a description of a political and economic system, but as an insult used by conservatives in an attempt to tarnish the reputation of their left-leaning rivals.

    Despite his self-described socialist views, Sanders is experiencing an unexpected wave of popularity, and is drawing some of the largest, most electric crowds of any presidential candidate so far.

    Unexpected surge

    Sanders is now running a solid second to the Democratic frontrunner, former secretary of state Hillary Clinton. In some polls, he has even taken the lead.

    According to an NBC News/Marist poll released Sunday, Sanders has opened up a nine-point lead on Clinton in New Hampshire, which hosts the country's first primary.

    A separate poll released late last month suggests he also has crept to within single digits of Clinton in the crucial, bellwether state of Iowa.

    Does Sanders' newfound mainstream popularity suggest Americans are changing their views on socialism?

    For many younger Americans, that appears to be the case, according to University of Massachusetts, Amherst economics professor Richard Wolff, who said the socialist label is not nearly as scary as it once was.

    "For people 30 years of age and younger, saying, 'Bernie Sanders is a socialist' cuts exactly no ice," Wolff told VOA. "It's useless.  It doesn't persuade anyone."

    A Gallup poll conducted earlier this year lends weight to that view.

    Audience members look on as Democratic presidential candidate, Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., speaks during a town hall meeting, Sept. 3, 2015, in Grinnell, Iowa.
    Audience members look on as Democratic presidential candidate, Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., speaks during a town hall meeting, Sept. 3, 2015, in Grinnell, Iowa.

    Young Americans more open

    In the 18-29 age bracket, 69 percent of respondents said they would have no problem voting for a socialist presidential candidate. Older Americans, however, were less sure, with only 47 percent of respondents of all ages saying they would vote for a socialist.

    One reason why younger people are more open to the 73-year-old Sanders' message is that they may not even remember the Cold War, said Wolff.

    "Those battles are now two or three decades old. For young people, this is barely known history," he said.

    Another possible explanation for the popularity of Sanders' message is the recent turmoil in the U.S. economy that has led to rising inequality.

    That is the case for Christy Goldsmith, a doctoral student who lives in Columbia, Missouri.

    "The biggest problem in America in my view is the wealth gap," she told VOA.

    Goldsmith worked for Hillary Clinton's unsuccessful presidential campaign in 2008, but said she now plans to vote for Sanders.

    "I don't mind publicly identifying as democratic socialist at all," she said. "But I think it's important to make the distinction between that and [traditional] socialism."

    Democratic socialism

    That phrase - democratic socialist - is the same one Sanders often uses to describe himself. As a political concept, it is distinct from the Marxist-Leninist brand of socialism commonly associated with one-party rule and state dominance of the economy.

    Sanders recently explained the concept of democratic socialism in a crowdsourced question and answer session published by the NowThis online media portal.

    "What democratic socialism is about is having a government which reflects the interest of ordinary people rather than what is currently the case, the billionaire class," Sanders said.

    As he often does, Sanders used Scandinavian countries - specifically, their universal health care, state-funded college education system and generous worker benefits - as a model for government practices he would like to see.

    Sanders also dismissed the notion that these views are incompatible with a democratic system.

    "In most of those countries the voter turnout is a lot higher than it is in the United States," he said. "They are pretty vigorous democracies."

    Sanders' views are basically in line with mainstream social democratic and labor parties in northern Europe, according to John Halpin, who studies political theory and public opinion at the Center for American Progress.

    "His 'socialism' is basically the wide provision of public goods like universal health care, paid vacations, family leave, and debt-free college education financed by progressive taxation on the wealthy and corporations," Halpin told VOA.

    A socialist at all?

    Given the differences between these policies and traditional socialism, there is some debate as to whether Sanders should even be called a "socialist" at all.

    Noam Chomsky, the renowned leftist political analyst and professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, is among those reluctant to use the phrase to describe Sanders.

    "I think he should be regarded as a New Deal Democrat, which is about what 'socialism' has come to mean, very remote from its traditional meaning," said Chomsky, referring to supporters of Franklin D. Roosevelt's domestic relief programs in the 1930's.

    "That places him far to the left in today’s political spectrum, in which mainstream Democrats are what used to be called 'moderate Republicans,'" Chomsky said in an email to VOA.

    Nomination unlikely

    Like most other analysts, Chomsky thinks it is "very unlikely" that Sanders will win the Democratic nomination. But the senator could still affect the presidential race in other ways.

    "His campaign opens up questions and issues that are otherwise marginalized, and will probably press the Democrats toward somewhat more progressive positions. In words at least," Chomsky said.

    Stephen Zunes, professor of politics and international relations at the University of San Francisco, said Sanders has already changed the dynamic of the race.

    "Clinton, who has traditionally sided with the more center-right of the Democratic Party, has shifted her rhetoric to a much more populist kind of tone, which is clearly a reaction to Bernie Sanders and his growing popularity,” he said.

    More socialists?

    Could a Sanders campaign really open the door for more people in the United States to identify themselves as socialists?  Halpin, with the Center for American Progress, said it is not likely.

    "Americans generally don't like predetermined ideological labels and believe they can take ideas across the spectrum," he said. "Without an organized socialist party or movement, it's hard to see it making much of an impact on its own."

    Trevor Burrus, a research fellow at the CATO Institute, a libertarian research organization in Washington, agrees.

    "I think real socialist policies are still quite unpopular," he told VOA.

    "The popularity of highly redistributive welfare states, as well as animosity toward 'the rich,' tend to go up when the economy slows down, as it has done in recent years," he said.

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    by: Marcus Aurelius II from: NJ USA
    September 17, 2015 4:14 PM
    I'll bet most Americans don't even know what socialism actually is. They haven't got a clue. They think Social Security is socialism.

    by: Marcus Aurelius II from: NJ USA
    September 17, 2015 8:34 AM
    Sander's surge among Democrats does not reflect Americans embracing socialism but America's disgust and rage against our corrupt government that is not serving America's or most Americans' interests. Hillary Clinton is a perfect example of why. What has she ever accomplished either as a Senator or as Secretary of State that was to America's benefit? America has had one failed government after another. This is why Americans have finally woken up to the fact that the "political establishment" has to be replaced with a different kind of people.

    by: velocast from: new castle de
    September 09, 2015 5:57 PM
    Sanders is only a Socialist by spirit….
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    by: Marcus Aurelius II from: NJ USA
    September 09, 2015 7:31 PM
    I'll bet that's what they said about Stalin. IMO Gorby will be a died in the wool communist until the day he dies. He doesn't get it. He's a supporter of Putin too.

    by: M Pickers from: 27420
    September 08, 2015 9:46 PM
    We support Bernie, "They're all bought and paid for" Our song is Americas New National Anthem
    Lobby for the people Bernie!

    by: Kurtis A Engle
    September 08, 2015 7:25 PM
    Vast difference between Socialism and Communism. Specifically, whether the people own the state (Sweden) or the state owns the people (China).
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    by: John Doe from: RI
    September 09, 2015 11:12 AM
    Marcus Aurelius II... And North Korea calls themselves "The Democratic People's Republic of North Korea". Doesn't mean they are actually a democratic republic.
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    by: Marcus Aurelius II from: NJ USA
    September 09, 2015 10:41 AM
    andrelatigan, are you kidding, no conspiracy? The USSR wanted to take over the world. Khrushchev said to America "we will bury you." The cold war was a war for the future of the human race, whether it would go back to the dark ages under communism or progress to the mess we have now. We're fighting the same war again this time with what is politely called "Islamic militants" whom less polite people like me call terrorist savages.

    Recall that the Nazis were "national socialists." Same war, different people.
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    by: andrelatigan from: San Francisco
    September 09, 2015 9:49 AM
    Socialism and capitalism are sides of the same economic coin and are normal.The socialist cycle has started.No conspiracy.Maybe this time with 6 capitalist calling the socialist shots for us all it might be not that bad after all.

    by: Marcus Aurelius II from: NJ USA
    September 08, 2015 1:50 PM
    Socialism always fails. Those who use the term often don't even know what it means. Medicare, Food Stamps, and Social Security are NOT socialism. The redistribution of wealth through taxes and government programs is NOT socialism. Government ownership of the means of production and distribution IS socialism.

    In the late 19th century unregulated capitalism resulted in concentration of wealth for the few, misery for the many just as Karl Marx said it would. In the US capitalism was regulated resulting in the rise of the middle class and the most successful model for an economy in history. But in recent decades those regulations have been removed in the incredibly foolish notion that the US would not return to where it had been in the 1870s at the start of the industrial revolution.

    So then we had Rockefeller, Carnegie, Vanderbuilt, Mellon, and today we have Gates, Icahn, Buffet. It's the same thing, only the names and details have changed. The US government should be restored to where it was before these regulations were taken apart and circumvented by so called "free trade" and globalization. That is the only way to put the economic engine back to where it will produce the power it once did for all of us in America.
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    by: John Doe from: RI
    September 09, 2015 1:39 PM
    Marcus Aurelius II... Definitions aside though...

    "The US government should be restored to where it was before these regulations were taken apart and circumvented by so called "free trade" and globalization. That is the only way to put the economic engine back to where it will produce the power it once did for all of us in America."

    That is exactly what Bernie Sanders plans to do.

    Restore Glass-Steagall, undo the bush tax cuts, apply fees to Wall Street speculation, eliminate tax loopholes, adjust the minimum wage to be in line with inflation, raise the social security income cap, etc...
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    by: John Doe from: RI
    September 09, 2015 1:27 PM
    Since you didn't read to the end last time. "Democratic Socialism is voted on. It is controlled by the people. So it works, provided the people ALSO embrace capitalism as part of the equation." Socialism doesn't work. Capitalism doesn't work. Communism doesn't work. These systems are all flawed in their own ways. You need "New Deal" style politics.

    Where we take the best ideas from all systems and balance them carefully through a fair democratic process. Not one bought by the rich, but voted for by everyone. That is Democratic Socialism (or Social Democracy). That is what Bernie believes in. This isn't your grandpa's Communism, Capitalism or Socialism. Those systems failed.

    This is about striving to advance and earn through capitalism, but not being taken advantage of through the societal protections of socialism and a few government agencies where necessary for infrastructure / defense needs. These policies aren't new and they aren't scary.
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    by: Marcus Aurelius II from: NJ USA
    September 09, 2015 12:36 PM
    John Doe, that's the same lame excuse everyone uses when their favorite "ism" falls flat on its face. The people who were in charge weren't true to its doctrine.

    But people forget that one of the most powerful motivations for humans is greed. Those who want money or power or both will rise to the top over the corpses of everyone else. This is the genius of the American system, it fractures power among equally greedy people and sets them against each other.

    That's what checks and balances is all about. Government is most dangerous when they all agree with each other. That's when they get most of your money. Example, financial deregulation signed off by Clinton in 1999 and endorsed by almost everyone in government and the finance industry.
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    by: John Doe from: RI
    September 09, 2015 10:55 AM
    Regarding the comment on collectivism vs individualism, you are again referring to Communism (or monopolistic plutocracy - which has the same effect).

    And again, socialism is a bottom up approach. In the case of some early experiments with it, once people "seized the state", they never gave it back to the people, so it turned to State Capitalism (a.k.a. Communism). Infinite power corrupts infinitely...

    Democratic Socialism is voted on. It is controlled by the people. So it works, provided the people also embrace capitalism as part of the equation.
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    by: John Doe from: RI
    September 09, 2015 10:44 AM
    Successful Democratic Socialist Government (Not Communist / Not Socialist)

    Australia
    Finland
    France
    Germany
    Great Britain
    Greenland
    Iceland
    Israel
    Italy
    Japan
    Netherlands
    New Zealand
    Norway
    Portugal
    Sweden
    Switzerland

    The list goes on. Democratic Socialism isn't Communism and it's not a bad think to care for the laborers.
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    by: John Doe from: RI
    September 09, 2015 10:37 AM
    What you are failing to realize is that Socialism is not Communism and Democratic Socialism is neither Communism or Socialism (in the traditional sense). Democratic Socialism advocates protection of laborers through unions, co-ops and federal protections, much like socialism does. Cash flows from the bottom up. That said, unlike raw socialism, it fully embraces democratic control by the people and keeps the motivation aspect of capitalism alive within it.

    Communism advocates for state ownership of industry and distribution of wealth from the top down. Communism is essentially state capitalism, where the state is the capitalist, while Democratic Socialism is Capitalism with a Conscience. If you read Bernie's policies, you may be surprised with how "traditional American New Deal Politics" they are. And those policies work. Regardless of what you call them.
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    by: Marcus Aurelius II from: NJ USA
    September 09, 2015 8:37 AM
    You may understand history but you clearly don't understand economics.

    "Collectivism is the opposite of individualism. Ideally, in a collectivist society, decisions benefit all the people. This is a difficult idea to put into practice, as seen in the attempted collectivist society of Soviet communism."

    In practice, it means ownership by the collective of the entire society which is under control of the government. We are the Borg. You will be assimilated. Resistance is Futile. We have re-education facilities to convince you and failing that we have psychiatric wards where we administer thorazine five times a day. Failing that we have Gulags that will set you free.
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    by: Understand History
    September 09, 2015 6:56 AM
    The problem with the traditional American view of what American's perceive to be "socialism", is that it's completely wrong. A state-controlled/owned economic system isn't socialism. Just because the Soviet Union under Stalin said it was socialism, doesn't make it true. I could say that my modest house is a mansion estate, that doesn't mean that it's true.

    Simply put: if the state controls the means of production; that's State Capitalism (as opposed to the privately-owned capitalism present in much of the West). The state, purchases the equipment and makes the investment, the state hires the workers, controls the production, keeps the surplus created by the workers and sells it on. The only difference in raw terms between this and and say American Capitalism, is that the state does this, instead of private individuals. That isn't socialism.

    Socialism is when collective groups of individuals make the investment, bring additional people into the collective as workers and then the fruits of the labor are kept by the people who create them, based upon who does the work, rather than the fruits of the labor being taken by some investor or state apparatus. Both of the latter are systems of exploitation, which is exactly what capitalism represents, regardless of who is doing the exploiting.
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    by: Marcus Aurelius II from: NJ USA
    September 08, 2015 5:27 PM
    Sorry ss, you flunk economics 101.

    In communism which calls itself "scientific socialism" a revolution results in a "dictatorship of the proletariat" which means the workers. In reality that never happens, it's a dictatorship of the elites in the Communist Party. When the USSR broke up did all of the workers get their fair share of the means of production and distribution? Of course not, it was owned by thugs who had controlled it all along.

    Socialism will ALWAYS fail because the system does not produce what the market wants and will be run at a loss indefinitely until the whole society is bankrupt. Corrupt right to its heart, look at what happened to socialist Venezuela. Broke. China, broke. Cuba, broke. North Korea, broke. Not only is the state an incompetent manager that is usually far from the scene of the crime, it is governed by political, not economic forces. Technical managers are replaced by party hacks. Obey them or die.
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    by: ss
    September 08, 2015 3:24 PM
    "Government ownership of the means of production and distribution IS socialism."

    Stopped reading there, because you're completely wrong. Socialism is when the WORKERS own the means of production and distribution.

    by: Lynnie
    September 08, 2015 1:17 PM
    I think many people who are opposed to the socialism buzzword are truly in favor of programs like Medicare and food stamps which could be described as socialist It's nice that the discussion is being opened up because anytime is simplistic Response is examined our country benefits The real "S" word for Bernie is sincere and that is really refreshing.

    by: Solaris
    September 08, 2015 12:16 PM
    Socialism is not worse than capitalism if the Federal government is capable enough to prevent a chaos. 2008 presidential campaign was for change and after 7 years this may be a real change, federal employees should not be unfamiliar with proficiency . '' As Americans we believe in the power of individuals to shape their destiny'' said the President of the United States George W bush.

    by: Thanasi karras
    September 08, 2015 10:49 AM
    The revolution has just begun, the progressives are here and their here to stay. He will win the nomination, he's got an army of supporters(like myself) who are fully committed to his campaign, and from the poll trends he's surging and Hillary is dropping off. People are tired of establishment politics, we're fed up with the current system, and people are worried about their future. From Alexis Tsipras being elected last year in Greece, to Jeremy Corbyn in the UK, and now Bernie Sanders in the USA.

    The Western world is ready to take another crack at a true democracy, not our current plutocracy. Bernie Sanders has now secured the black vote, through good black publicity, thanks Cornell West & Abdul Jabar, and his other insider supporters. He's got people who are for him within the democratic party. Everything is going to come down to the debates, Bernie Sanders is going to own everyone, including Lessig, and take the presidency from whatever jack ass is elected from the Koch brothers & other billionaires.

    The political establishment is being shaken up. Times have changed and the game of politics have changed too, and I think it's changed faster then anyone on the right is willing to comfortably admit. Welcome to the beginning of the digital age, and a world economy. The future is bright for those who feel on the right side of history.
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    by: Darryl Stock from: United Kingdom
    September 08, 2015 4:18 PM
    last time I looked Jeremy Corbyn was not prime minister of the UK
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    by: Marty from: Houston
    September 08, 2015 11:38 AM
    That was very well written. I would agree. This is the start of the Middle Class revolt. It's not surprising given that the bottom of the culture hasn't seen a real pay raise in 40 years. Bernie is not a socialist in any real significant way. He talks common sense.

    by: 1worldnow from: Earth
    September 08, 2015 7:44 AM
    It's all deception, folks. And people will drink whatever 'kool-aid' they can get to quench their thirsts for change! Sanders is just barking to get your vote, like Hillary, like Trump, like all these so-called future leaders. To begin with, a true Socialist would not be wealthy. He decries Socialism, only after the fact that Capitalism made his life better and much more comfortable than Socialism ever will.....for anyone. Before you youngsters jump on the bandwagon of Socialism.

    You should study the countries that adopted Socialism. You should also remember the story of the first Socialist attempt in the colonies. Nobody wins in Socialism. And I mean nobody! There will always be a wealth-class system in any for of government, always will be. THe simple answer is money. Money. Money is the measure of wealth today. Think about it, it isn't difficult to understand. It's all about money. Socialism offers 2 choices, poor or rich. That's what happened in every nation that boasted Socialism. Every Socialist nation is miserable and the people have no drive or desire, because all are equal in pay!!!!!
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    by: AP
    September 09, 2015 4:57 AM
    Did sanders say anything about everyone having equal pay no matter their occupation? No. That's communism. Stop your campaign of misinformation
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    by: sharonsj from: pennsylvania
    September 08, 2015 8:14 PM
    Sanders is the poorest member of the Senate; he and his wife are worth about $325,000. You have no idea abut Socialist countries either. (Canada is Socialist, for example.) Nothing you said is true or even makes sense.
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    by: Rose McFrog from: WV
    September 08, 2015 11:30 AM
    "You should study the countries that adopted Socialism." Start with Sweden and Norway. The democratic socialism in these countries has absolutly nothing in common with the socialism in places like India and Bangladesh.
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