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Top Indian, Chinese Officials Discuss Border Dispute

Shannon Sant
Indian National Security Advisor Shivshankar Menon is in Beijing, meeting with top Chinese officials to discuss their long-running border dispute, development cooperation and other bilateral issues.

Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Hong Lei said Shivshankar Menon met with his Chinese counterpart, Dai Bingguo, Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi, Wu Bangguo, the chairman of the National People's Congress and Premier Wen Jiabao.  

Hong Lei said the two countries agree that as the largest developing countries in the world, China and India face opportunities for development and challenges. He said the two countries can cooperate for common development.

Chinese State Councilor and Special Representative on the Boundary Question, Dai Bingguo (L) and Indian National Security Adviser Shivshankar Menon smile after signing an agreement in New Delhi, India, January 17, 2012.Chinese State Councilor and Special Representative on the Boundary Question, Dai Bingguo (L) and Indian National Security Adviser Shivshankar Menon smile after signing an agreement in New Delhi, India, January 17, 2012.
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Chinese State Councilor and Special Representative on the Boundary Question, Dai Bingguo (L) and Indian National Security Adviser Shivshankar Menon smile after signing an agreement in New Delhi, India, January 17, 2012.
Chinese State Councilor and Special Representative on the Boundary Question, Dai Bingguo (L) and Indian National Security Adviser Shivshankar Menon smile after signing an agreement in New Delhi, India, January 17, 2012.
The talks between India and China focus in large part on boundary disputes. Analysts said the countries have made little progress since the first round of talks, which resulted in the 2005 agreement on guiding principles for boundary settlement.

During the second stage of talks, diplomats aim to create a framework for boundary settlement. The boundary disputes concern several thousand kilometers of land bordering Tibet and India.

Shivshankar Menon’s trip to China comes amidst rising tension about the South China Sea, a waterway rich in potential oil and gas reserves. India is not one of the countries that claims territory in the region, but this week Indian naval officials said they will protect their maritime and economic interests there.

India’s Oil and Natural Gas Corporation has a stake in a gas field off the coast of Vietnam.

Although China may claim the oil and gas deposits in the South China Seas, Shi Yinhong, professor or international relations at Renmin University, said nationalist passions will not ultimately determine the country’s foreign policy.

“I think the statesmen on both sides are prudent and responsible," said Yinhong. "They know that India and China have rivalries and suspicions, but it will be enormously difficult to escalate into conflict.”

India and China launched their border talks in 2003. Dai Bingguo has been China’s special representative in all of the 15 rounds so far. Dai will retire in March; Menon did not meet with any members of the newly appointed seven-member standing committee of the Communist Party of China.

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by: SEATO
December 15, 2012 2:45 AM
@Redcliff: China has always been well known for distorting history and fabricating facts to justify their groundless and unreasonable territorial claims.By 200BC the whole of Southern China,including Hainan Island and all the adjacent seas still belonging to the NanYue people,NamViet or VietNam.then how could the whole area have belonged to the Han Chinese??? The BaiYue were a sea-faring people and were the first inhabitants in the areas.The Mongol Yuan Dynasty in the 13th century ruled over many countries,including China and Russia,but not any islands in the south because Vietnam defeated the Mongol army 3 times.Besides,China can not claim the ill-gotten gains from the Mongols anyway,otherwise you would one day claim Central Asia and Russia as well.Likewise,the Manchus conquered Ming China,Tibet,Mongolia,Taiwan and Xinjang.and annexed them all under the Qing Dynasty.You simply can not claim all these lands on their behalf either,because you were conquered yourselves.Communist cronies should not try to fool the readers in here with all these outrageous lies.A United South East Asian Treat Organisation like NATO under the leadership of Japan and India,is the best deterrence to imperialist China's territorial ambitions


by: True Leaf from: Canada
December 11, 2012 10:43 PM
@Redcliff:

You quoted the "so called" facts from China's fabricated history books which no one considers legitimate. Anyway, you are entitled to your point of view. I am making my comments just to let readers have an informed opinion about the situation in that part of the world and support an international solution to the problem. I believe readers will have a true "balanced view" on this matter. I hope you are able to win friends with your staunch defender of China's policies because it is very lonely to have only two "true" friends in Iran and North Korea. As the saying goes: Tell me who your friends are and I'll tell you who you are. Enough said.


by: Redcliff from: Aus
December 11, 2012 5:32 PM
@ True Leaf

"You are judged by what you do not what you say". I agree but this forum is for individual to make written comments and up to this stage I have not heard any meaningful comments from you apart from a jargon words like "Zhongnanhai brainwashingmachine" which I assumed you enjoy throwing around at readers that make some factual comments of the historical aspect written by historian.
Sound like you are ignorant on historical evidence and lack of the understanding of these type of topics.
Most of these information are sourced from reputable writers who made articles contribution to WJS and Business Insider.
If you don't stick your head in the sand like an ostrich you night learn something from them and I am sure at your current age you are not too late to do so.


by: True Leaf from: Canada
December 11, 2012 11:35 AM
Rather than quoting these lengthy “so called” facts, you should look right in this forum. How many people are buying your shallow arguments? If you think you have convincing evidence, let the international court decide. You are judged by what you do, not what you say.


by: Redcliff from: Aus
December 11, 2012 2:03 AM
@ True Leaf

Typing mistake. Those years provided should read AD rather than BC.
If I may also add please feel free to comment on those information I posted that are incorrect and I would appreciate your justification as well.
Comments with empty words and unsubstantial facts are irrelevant and only empty vessels would make that kind of loud noise by this I also include those who used foul and X-rated language.


by: Redcliff from: Aus
December 11, 2012 12:34 AM
@ True leaf

Yes I totally agree with you that we are all living in the 21st Century and we should have a balance view of the issue surrounding the current dispute which means we have to provide facts to justify our comments.
I do not seem to note any substantial facts from you except comments of unsubstantial basis.

The following are some the facts for your information:

Around 200BC - China first discovered the Spratly Islands.
220 BC - Nansha(Spratly) Island was settled by Chinese monks,
a monastery was built on the Island.
789 BC - During the Tang Dynasty Nansha Island was included
in the Administrative map.
990 BC - Spratly Island become part of Northern Song area in
Hainan
1121 BC - The Yuan Dynasty ( Mongol) control most of the
Islands.

China first exercise jurisdiction over the Nansha Island from the Yuan Dynasty then continue into Ming Dynasty. The Hainan Garrison Command of the Ming Dynasty was responsible for inspecting and patrolling as well as exercising Jurisdiction over Xisha, Zhongsha and Nansha Islands. Again in the Qing Dynasty the Islands were marked on map as A map Administration Division of the whole of China in 1724 and again in 1776 and 1810 and 1817.
During the WWII Japan occupied these Islands from China and was returned to China under the Cairo Declaration, Potsdam Proclamation and the Instrument of Japan Surrender.

Countries recognition of China Sovereignty over these Islands include the following:

United Kingdom - China Sea Pilot compiled and printed in 1912 account of the activities of Chinese people living on Nansha Island.
France in the Le Monde Colonial illustrate in Sept. 1933 issue pointed out Chinese living on the Nansha Island when the French gunboat name Malicieuse surveyed Nanwei Island of the Nansha Island in 1930.
Atlas International Larousse published in 1965 in France marked Nansha, Xisha and Dongsha Island on Chinese name.
Japan in 1966 and 1972 year books all said that China Territories include the mainland,Hainan island,Taiwan,Penghu Islands. Dongsha, Xisha and Nansha in the South China Sea.
The US: Colombia Lippincott World Toponynic Dictionary published in US stated that Nansha Islands on the South China Sea are part of Guangdong Province and belong to China and World Administrative Division Encyclopaedia published in 1971 said that Dongsha, Nansha, Zhongsha and Xisha are China Territories.
Vietnam - Vice Foreign Minister Dung Van Khieu of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam and Le Doc acting Director of Asia Dept. of the Vietnam Foreign Ministry both admitted (according to Vietnam Data) that Nansha, Xisha are historically part of China Territories and are already part of China territories in the Song Dynasty when they received Li Zhimin Charge d affairre at Interim od China Embassy in Vietnam,
It was also reported in the Vietnamese newspaper that the Vietnamese Government (Premier Pham Van Dong) on the visit of China Zhou Enlai on the 14 Sept. 1958 that Vietnam recognized and support the Declaration of the Govt. of PRC on China territories of Nansha, Xisha and Zhongsha.'

If I may also add that the Treaty of Peace signed between US and Spain in 1900. Its scope of Philippines Territories did not include Nansha Islands and this has also been confirmed in the Philippines Constitution of 1935 and the Mutual Defense Treaty between US and The Philippines in 1951, As far as Malaysia concerned it was only in December 1978 that it first marked part of the Nansha Islands reef and waters into its Territories of Malaysia in its published continental shelf Map.

I have only researched into the elementary part and not the detailed part due to limited time.
As your claim on Zhongnanhai's brainwashing machine I would like to hear from you of your justification of this accusation and based on what factual information you have arrive on.


by: True leaf from: Canada
December 09, 2012 11:16 PM
@Redcliff:

If you believe that, please don't go around and make yourself look like a typical product of Zhongnanhai's brainwashing machine. Vague historical claims and ignorance of the international rules will not win you many friends. These small nations are almost forced to defend themselves knowing that they stand little chance against China's war machine. We are living in the 21th century and you can't bully your way around and get away with it. I hope you will get your facts straight.


by: Redcliff from: Aus
December 09, 2012 2:54 AM
@ Paul

If I am a Chinese does that make my positive comments on China as pro China even if I believe that credit should be given where credit due or do I be immediately targeted for abuse.

Yes I am an Australian Chinese who has no connection with China. There are many Chinese who are born in different countries apart from China.


by: Redcliff from: Aus
December 09, 2012 2:49 AM
@ true Leaf

I believe you that Chinese people are as much peace lovers people as anyone in the world. It's only the Leaders of those Asian Nations that stirred up patriotism among their citizens and by this I meant China, Japan, Vietnam and Philippines.


by: True Leaf from: Canada
December 08, 2012 11:05 AM
@Redcliff:
1. There is no such a thing as anti-china. Only China keeps making the world nervous through its aggressive behaviour.

2. The world will soon speak with one voice against China's wild dream of world hegemony and we will make sure there won't be a modified version of pastor Martin-Niemöller's:

First they came for the Paracels/ Spratlys,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Vietnamese

Then they came for the Scaborough Shoal,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Filipino

Then they came for the Senkaku,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Japanese

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.

I believe Chinese people are as much peace lovers as anyone in the world. Let the truth be told.

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