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Turkey Locates Pilots' Bodies

A Turkish F-16 fighter jet approaches the tarmac of Incirlik airbase in the southern Turkish city of Adana, July 4, 2012.
A Turkish F-16 fighter jet approaches the tarmac of Incirlik airbase in the southern Turkish city of Adana, July 4, 2012.
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Dorian Jones
ISTANBUL — Turkey says it has found the bodies of the two pilots whose jet was shot down by Syrian forces last month. But the circumstances of how and where the plane was shot down are in dispute that is putting increasing pressure on the Turkish government.

Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan used the downing of the plane on June 22 to introduce tough new rules of engagement with Syria.

"If that country now violating international rules and regulations, the shooting down of our plane in international waters and international airspace, we need to take any necessary measures that we see fit," Turkish foreign ministry spokesman Selcuk Unal explained.

But the Turkish government's account of the downing of the plane has been called into question.

"There are at least three accounts of how things happened," said Political scientist Cengiz Aktar of Bahcesehir University. The first one from the Turkish authorities. The second from the Syrian authorities. And the third one from Russian authorities. And even a fourth one from the American authorities. Now we are discussing where it happened exactly."

National and international media citing foreign diplomatic sources are supporting Damascus's version of events: that the Turkish jet was in Syrian airspace when it was shot down.

On Sunday, Erdogan launched a blistering attack on the U.S. newspaper, The Wall Street Journal, which quoted a U.S. intelligence source contradicting Ankara's version of events.

Who are these sources? he asked. They have published lies earlier as well.

The prime minister also criticized the Turkish media, accusing them of being traitors for challenging Ankara's stance on the jet's downing.

Despite the heightened tensions between the neighboring countries in recent weeks, opinion polls in Turkey suggest the majority of the public is firmly opposed to a military conflict with Syria.  And Turkish public sentiment may explain why Turkey's media is questioning the government's version of what happened.

Semih Idiz, diplomatic correspondent for the the Turkish newspaper Milliyet, says this explains why Erdogan is lashing out at country's press.

"One of the main reasons and this is why the prime minister was so angry not just at Assad and his regime but also at columnists and journalists in Turkey who are asking questions that he is not happy [with]," said Idiz.

The controversy has now extended to speculation over possibility that Russians were involved in downing the plan. Much of Syria's air defenses is supplied by Moscow. International relations expert Soli Ozel of Kadir Has University points out that some analysts believe Russian technicians servicing the air defenses remain in Syria.

"We still don't know whether or not they played any role in the downing of that plane, because we don't know what shot the plane [down]. Was it a missile? Who ordered the firing of the missile? Why do the Syrians insist it was anti-aircraft machine guns and not a missile? There are still a lot of unknowns about what exactly happened," said Ozel.

The region where the plane was downed is one of most closely monitored in the Mediterranean - by sophisticated radar on the nearby island of Cyprus and by Russia's naval base on the Syrian coast.  Still, observers say that, for now, there are more questions than answers regarding the shooting down of the Turkish jet.

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by: Ferhat from: Turkey
July 05, 2012 8:48 PM
Syria claims that they shot down the F-4 thinking that it's an Israeli jet. They claim that this jet was flying low within visual sight and was downed by AAA guns. They know that the F-4s aren't used by the Israeli Air Force since 2008, so how did they assume it was Israeli? Let's say that they didn't have a visual sighting. Then the aircraft would be flying either too high or would be too far away (more likely to be in international waters) for AAA guns, in which case it was a missile that shot it down. You can't have it both ways Assad. Stop lying and butchering your people.

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by: nikos from: Greece
July 06, 2012 10:36 AM
what a joke... should a Turki lecture Assad about butchery...???


by: Shane from: Australia
July 05, 2012 6:58 AM
I'm from Australia and I think it's ridiculous how all you people say bad things about Turkey when they are at the moment placed tents for the Syrian refugees and doing a lot more then the bloody Arabic nations all they do is talk crap and never help there own kind. Turkey should be proud of themselves NATO owes Turkey. They served in the Korean war, they served in the Bosian war, also in the Golf war and the Afghan war. If turkey ever goes to war I will support them 100%

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by: Ferhat from: Turkey
July 05, 2012 9:00 PM
Shane: Nicely said. Thank you for your support. Don't listen to the hate comments from what seems like mostly Greeks. They're just showing their ignorance and hatred towards something they do not understand.

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by: Sylos from: Greece
July 05, 2012 8:30 AM
I hope the Australians read these comments... here is a suggestion for you people of Australia... deport these Turkies muslimes to Gaza... or Egypt... its the same (you know what...) but, whatever you do, do not keep them in Australia... unless you want to be stabbed in the back (muslimes will destroy you from within)


by: Christof from: Greece
July 05, 2012 5:33 AM
Didn't the head of the Turkish clowns just said that the pilots were safe...?? he moves his "forces" to the border and whimpers... he knows that Assad can kick him back to Saudi Arabia... but "posturing" is all important to a nation of empty headed fools... and the West can still think they can trust this degenerate nation and particularly this ugly repulsive "Islamist leader".... an incompetent leading an idiotic nation of imbeciles... welcome to Turkey...

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by: Mike
July 05, 2012 3:55 PM
To: Kerem from Turkey. I totally agree with your opinion and the response to the Greek "writer". Turkey has suffered unjustified attack by Syria and Turkey has a legal right to declare war on Syria.
I hope that not all anti-Turkish sentiment shared by the Greeks, as those who wrote their blogs here. However, my personal impressions of Greece strengthened my opinion that this country should be excluded from the EU and NATO.

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by: Kerem from: Turkey
July 05, 2012 10:02 AM
we talk about Downing of a Jet but you just talk about full of Hate,Insult? i advise you that take a soothing pill and just shout your fascist mouth? if you say to our prime minister "ugly repulsive islamist leader",then you are ugly repulsive fundamentalist christian. i think EU must remove Greece from union.then may be you can associate with Syria and Russia.


by: Horza from: Closp
July 05, 2012 3:03 AM
You cannot really trust any one of the observers.

And:
Traitors, just because the journalists doesn't agree with Erdogan.
How many times have we heard that through the times?


by: selim from: turkey
July 05, 2012 1:53 AM
Turkey's opinion about the event is that: Turkish plane tresspass on syrian's air zone for a while. Syrian forces must warn the jet for go away but syria did not do this and shot down the jet. So this is the problem, without warning shoot down a jet.


by: Samir Haddad
July 04, 2012 7:44 PM
If the world wants to end the bloodshed in Syria quickly, send a few NATO tanks across the Syrian border. Within a week, Assad will be gone and a new transitional government will be established. It is just that simple.

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by: Anonymous from: GULF
July 06, 2012 2:21 AM
The end of AlQadafi scenario in Assads memory will push him to step down at the moment when he see these tanks at the country border, otherwise he will be sure the horror will be the same.


by: Guru from: Corona, California
July 04, 2012 4:25 PM
Erdogan is a puppet of International powers. To him the whole world is wrong and he is right is vivid sign of his attempts to hide the truth. Syria has all the rights to shoot down the plane in its air space. Turkey's policy of sacrificing its national interests at the behest of others is stupid and plain wrong to kill the friendly relations with Syria.

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by: Kerem from: Siirt,Turkey
July 05, 2012 4:02 AM
you said that Syria has all the rights to shoot down the plane in its air space.why ? I think you dont know the international engagement rules.you are ignorant.You cant shoot down the plane in your air space without doing the necessary precautions.If so,every country shoot down the others planes.


by: Sir Percy from: USA
July 04, 2012 4:11 PM
Erdogan wants to build a new Ottoman Empire. Then, we need a new Lawrence of Arabia to stop it.


by: Marty from: USA
July 04, 2012 3:52 PM
I can't understand what those planes were doing over Syria in the first place & I REALLY can't understand why they were shot down by Syria, that was just a ERY stupid thing to do...


by: Matt from: West Coast
July 04, 2012 3:47 PM
If it was hit w/ AA Fire while flying over Syria & held together long enough to make it to international water. Then why didnt the pilots eject? Sounds like a missile took it down..

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by: Alaa from: UAE
July 06, 2012 2:07 AM
Good question. The black box will answer this. Also getting the serial no. for that (missle) would give the final confirmation.....

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